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R: That is what I told you that revolution is not evolution, a gradual process.
拉胡拉：这就是我所说的——是改革，不是进化，是一种渐进的过程。
K: So psychologically can there be a revolution?
克：所以在心理上可能有场**了?
R: Yes. Certainly.
拉胡拉：没错，当然有。
K: Which means what? No time.
克：这又是什么意思?不包含时间。
R: There is no time in it.
拉胡拉：这里头没有时间。
K: But all the religions, all the scriptures, whether it is Islam, or whatever it is, have maintained you must go through certain systems.
克：可是所有宗教、所有经文，不论是回教或任何宗教，都主张你必须经历某些制度。
R: But not Buddhism.
拉胡拉：但是佛教没这么主张。
K: Wait a minute. I wouldn't even say Buddhism, I don't know have read, except when I was a boy, but that has gone out of my mind. When you say, eventually you must discipline first and then let go of that discipline.
克：等一下，我并没有说佛教，我对佛教一无所知，只有在孩提时代读过佛教经文，可是早已经忘了。如果你说，你必须先维持修炼，然后最后走出修炼……
R: No, I don't say that. I don't perceive it like that, and nor did Buddha.
拉胡拉：不，我没这么说。我并不是以这样的方式觉知，佛陀也不这么做。
K: Sorry. Then please, I may be mistaken. How do you consider...
克：对不起，那么拜托， 我可能错了。 你认为...
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摘自《BROCKWOOD PARK 22ND JUNE 1978 1ST CONVERSATION WITH PROF.BOHM, MR.NARAYAN AND TWO BUDDHIST SCHOLARS》
【观察要点】学而时习之， 是知也。